The Ton on the legendary 10/22

As a select few of you may know, The Ton has a slight love affair for firearms. I grew up hunting, just like milions of kids, and I grew up doing NRA long distance shooting comepetions with my father and grandfather. I never stopped hunting and spent much of my life using a rifle to earn my daily bread. At one point, at an elite level but lately it has become a somewhat waining affiar. I still hunt but I do almost 0 tactical shooting because I am bored with it.

Mascuilne sovereignty requires proficiency with violence and firearms are one of the most important tools for a man to master. Money 1st. Guns second because gun skillz take cash to develop.  The Ton still loves to hunt and I still shoot a fair amount but my shooting these days consist of doing dumb shit with a .22LR or long distance stuff. I’m probably averaging 3k rounds of .22LR a month right now vs way less then 300 rounds of .308, .338 Luppa and .50 BMG. Probably less then 100. Partly becuase I can fire .22 where I live full time and have to travel for my long distance range.  Partly because I don’t care if I ever do another tactical anything but I have an old-school book on trick shots I am working through.

As The Ton goes, so does Clan Ton. Mostly because I’m an asshole that likes to throw money around partly becuase I am trying to establish a larger then life legend for my decendants to remember and partly because if we stay here my lineage wil be balls deep in the up coming shit storm…. Clan Ton is gunned the fuck up. I’ll be banging on about tuning  up one of my favoitre rifles,  the Ruger 10/22’s.

There are 2 reasons I customize them, and they are interdependent. Improve useability and to improve reliability. Which makes it sound like the Ruger 10/22 is unreliable. It ain’t. But .22 ammo is cheap and trying to fire large volumes of it will cause problems. You can address that with higher dollar ammo or upgrading certain aspects of the rifle. Improving the rifle is a one time fixed cost. Expensive ammo is a never ending cost.

Improving useability makes shooting more fun. Especially for chidlern and new shooters. The main focus on that is scaling the weapon to childern and reducing the decibels. Again to make it more kid friendly. Sound and kids is a werid thing. #1 They hate to wear ear protection, #2 kids are fucking weird. My 2 year old gets stoked of 12ga booms! Really dislikes rifle fire….. Fucking bastards are weird. Any rate, M4 style collapsible buttocks will reduce the effective size of the weapon. It also expand as the child grows. I also put rail systems on the rifle but don’t mount optics. That is something kids have to earn. When I do, it’s typically a small red dot. Not much recoil on a .22 so not much point in dropping a ton od money on a red dot. Scopes come later.  They need the basics down 1st. Suppressors are the only thing I have really standardised becuase I get a discount as a reliable customer. I’m not runing the most decibel reducing can around but it’s a quality product that is easy to clean. I still have the kids wear ear pro but the can makes it less critical if they are being shitheads about it. Bi-pod legz are hugely popular with the little ones. Helps them mange the size of an adult sized rifle but also dramatically improves accuracy.

An upgraded trigger will almost always improve accuracy. Ruger makes one and I like it alot. For the moeny. I don’t think kids really need the better trigger kit when they 1st start out but I want a rifle they can grow into. Physically speaking and as a shooter.

Large fingers, small mag release…. I put the extend mag release on them. For my sanity as their instructor if nothing else same for charging handle but really it seems to help kids with their small, weak hands manipulate the weapon correctly.

Last for me is tuning up the bolt. Two main issues here. #1 Is the extractor. Like I said .22 ammo is cheap ie dirty and fouls your firearm. Upgrade that extractor so it can deal with the mess and get your spent brass out of the way. .22 rim fire means the propellant is all around the rim of that fucker. Upgrade the firing pin to one that strikes the rim better…. Which will also help burn more of the propellant leaving less of a mess.

Notice I didn’t list which kits to use….. I’m not sure it matters. All of them seem to do well. And I don’t have bipod legs on my personal .22’s.

Not much else to say. They are fun to shoot, cost effective to run/ train with and they do an ok job as a farm gun out here in rural NC where we don’t have a large size predator problem

 

27 thoughts on “The Ton on the legendary 10/22

  1. Kentucky Headhunter

    Thanks. My younger boy was doing just “ok” with the 10/22 at the range last time. I’ll get started on some of these upgrades this summer and we can include it in his homeschooling this fall.

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    1. SFC Ton Post author

      I’d start with the bolt upgrades and/ or the adjustable stock depending on the size of your mini headhunter.

      The bolt because dirty .22 ammo harsh my mellow

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  2. h0neyc0mb

    There are so many 10/22 aftermarket options .. and a lot are truly fantastic.

    Few are just outright bad ..

    With that said .. I hate the extend mag releases for the 10/22 .. you spend more time looking for dropped mags than actually hunting / shooting.

    I built a gucci 10/22 years ago .. it’s not even my top 10 fav toys now .. so the point is .. make good upgrades that don’t break anyone’s piggie bank and shoot it a lot. That’s why we love 22lr .. it won’t break the piggie bank to shoot all you want.

    And if you haven’t buy 20k (22lr pew pew’s) worth at a time. Get it while we can still buy leaded components.

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    1. SFC Ton Post author

      LOL always good advice

      Mod’ing a 10/22 Is fairly inexpensive and a decent option for learning the upgrading your firearm game

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    1. h0neyc0mb

      I built a great suppressed backpack rifle outta one .. it was a tack driver!

      It had a camo(ish) grey hogue stock with tac sol carbon fiber over steel sleeve threaded barrel .. I believe I bought the whole kit on brownells or midwayusa.

      Similiar to this .. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2192433009

      It was for my Dad .. so .. I did other mods as well .. it’s his favorite carry into the woods “lunchbox”.

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    2. SFC Ton Post author

      Not really. My little brother had one. It was much sturdier then I would have thought but I couldn’t get a consistent check weld with so I was never worth a damn when we’d shoot it but that is often enough on the shooter

      I’m not a fan of the whole concept. They typically feel flismy to me and they are by nature somewhat less accuarte…. Probably not enough to realy mater.

      I think all take down firearms are a niche. Do you need to fill that niche? Could you do it with a folding or collapsible stock? Etc etc

      Or is the niche all about the cool factor? Which is as legit as any truth be told

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      1. Sumo

        Totally about the cool factor. 😀 Speaking of that, and also flimsy, I picked up a GSG 16 at the end of May (it resembles an MP5 enough to make me giggle), and while it shoots well, in my opinion, it doesn’t feel much more durable than my paintball gun.

      2. SFC Ton Post author

        When I was a young all the cool kids used an mp5 which I never much carried for. Generational memory? I remember my grandfather being dismissive about anything that wasnt a BAR or M1

        Now the cool kids used short barrel m4’s………

  3. SFC Ton Post author

    Meant to say this up above,

    If you plan on reworking the rifle go ahead and get a used one to save some cash. Most folks don’t shoot all that much and you’re replacing a fair number of the moving parts

    Always save money where you can

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    1. Sumo

      Fuck me sideways……even adjusting for the currency exchange, those are still over $100 cheaper than they would be up here….

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  4. Liz

    What are your thoughts on reloading ammo, Ton?
    Supplies are almost out around here.
    Fortunately we have a pretty good supply. For now.

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    1. SFC Ton Post author

      LOL I think they now make dies to reload. 22 ammo…..

      I’m not anti reloading but it isn’t really my thing. Especially these days. The rounds for my more important rifles are custom made to that rifle. So in that sense I am a huge fan but I pay a guy to crank that shit out for me. It ain’t cheap and is not a good investment in money for most folks. Hell I’m probably most folks these days

      I’ve messed with reloading some. It’s a pretty straight forward affair, just pay attention to details, but I gave my kit to my oldest son.

      Last time we fucked around with it, my son and I made 500’ish rounds of 9mm ammo in a 6 pack and a cigar. I think a good 7 stage press can bang out like 600 in an hour if you’re serious about it.

      I’m not. My son and son in law are and they crank out a lot of rounds on occasion. My son in law also does shotgun shells but he is a trap shooter

      Maybe for y’all the investment in time and money is best spent reloading. Maybe it ain’t.

      For the serious reloaders the whole deal because their thing more then the shooting. Which is cool for them. If you have the disposal cash give it a try. Might become y’alls thing…… buy a cheap, used single press stage and find out. If y’all like it switch to a multi stage press
      One warning. One semi off topic example

      Warning, don’t use reloaded rounds in your personal defense weapons for as long as the police are a thing. The investigators will look for certain physical things to match your story. They understand store bought ammo much better then home rolled. Those forensic things will match your story much better if you use a common, quality self defense round.

      Semi example. I love to hunt and fish. If the wheels fall off tomorrow my hunting and fishing days are over. Time is to valuable of a resource. Hunting and sports fishing consume a lot of time. Time you could use to do something else. So I would set up traps and trout lines and what not for protein and use the time doing something else

      To me that’s the kind of value/ use of time equation you need to consider.

      Also ask Larry. I think he’s much more up to speed on reloading than me 😉

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      1. Sumo

        Maybe for y’all the investment in time and money is best spent reloading. Maybe it ain’t.

        I would tend to think that the Lizardmen (and possibly Mike) would be all over the reloading thing. Hell, the boys made their own chainmail a while back.

      2. SFC Ton Post author

        A lot of people enjoy it. My son turned the wash room into the reloading room. My son in law does it on the kitch

        To me it was a chore. Always a huge pain in the ass chore

        Entertainment value is an important aspect and I don’t want to discourage anyone from it.

        On the other hand, resource management is way important.

        Getting set up with a good system like I gave my son is a couple grand. It was almost 1g for the press. I think all the dies and what not pushed close to a grand,…. you can reduce that cost but not having a lot of cailbers to feed…. then materialss. But it is a 7 stage press and can kick out 600 rounds in an hour. You can get a less costly press but then you have to spend more time running the press. So a time vs cost/ opportunity cost thing comes into play. For me it wasn’t worth it. My son says it’s relaxing and self satisfyingly. My son in law? Who the fuck knows.

        If ammo is .50 a round, and you make it for .25 a round it will take X number of rounds to break even. Add to whatever value you place on your time and……well how often does clan Lizard shoot? How long would it take for them to break even?

        From what I have seen most guys don’t save money by doing it becuase they don’t shoot enough. Did it as a kid with my father, it probably saved money because we were making matched grade ammo for shooting matches and practice. Couple hundred a week. Per shooter. And at one point there was 3 of us

        Now my high end ammo is custom built to each rifle. The skill set to do that is way expensive to acquire.

        The guy next door is an avid hunter but doesn’t shoot much outside of that. He fires all high end ammo but maybe 20 rounds a year. Call it a hondo with bird hunting. Doubtful reloading is good investment for him.

        Getting a press to side step the demands on store bought ammo is a whole other equation. As demand for store bought ammo goes up, materials to build your own go up, put you in a second choked up supply line

        Also can take up a lot of space. Liz lives rural so space is probably not a factor

        Upsides…..

        You have another options to keep yourself supplied in ammo. Which is valuable.

        You might save some money one distant day in the future. There is a formula for that and I want to say it takes about 3 years to break even

        You might possibly find a new hobby you enjoy

        What the world pays you for your labor really matters on this. If work pays you $200 an hour it’s probably better to work an extra 2 hours a week to pay for your ammo. If work ooays you $2 an hour you need a new skill set

        All things to consider

  5. Post Alley Crackpot

    Ruger stopped making their 10/22 variant in .22 WMR several years ago, and that particular model didn’t have the reliability of the .22 LR models …

    But Savage still makes the A22 Magnum which acts like it’s a lot better engineered, and Butler Creek makes the same style of 25 round banana mags for it. There are a lot of accessories for the A17 Magnum that also work with the A22 Magnum, such as scope bases and after-market stocks, although that doesn’t also extend to mags.

    Even a partial Picatinny rail on an A22 Magnum makes it so you can mount one of those Caldwell magnetic clamped brass catchers that are popular for AR15s, at least if your scope rings let you slide it in under your scope. (Had to do the scope mounting twice — don’t go with the low rings if you plan on doing this, BTW.)

    So I’ll take .22 WMR over .22 LR for a lot of purposes. Hornady V-Max .22 WMR is an all-around versatile four-legged and two-legged varmint cartridge, and the kinetic energy puts it between .380 ACP and 9x19mm for defence purposes.

    I can also share ammo with a Kel-Tec PR-30 pistol that takes 30 round mags, which means that ammo stocks here can go deeper for fewer calibres instead of wide over a lot of different calibres that often match just a single gun.

    Reloading’s a chore, I’ll agree with Ton on that: when you make enough that 10k rounds of .22 WMR doesn’t faze you much, you’ll regret spending any time at all doing anything with rifle cartridge reloading.

    Reloading 9x19mm and .32 ACP was somewhat enjoyable, especially since the latter kept my James Bond Walther collectors set adequately fed, but eventually I gave it up because I didn’t have time for it.

    But I’ve always bought the stuff the .338 Lapua Magnum rifle eats in already loaded boxes.

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    1. SFC Ton Post author

      LOL I remember when I was a kid folks would argue about the various .22 rounds but I can’t personally recall a time when I owmed anything but .22LR

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      1. Post Alley Crackpot

        Ah, well, there’s still .22 WMR to be had in my local gun shops at least …

        Whatever .22 LR comes into the shops in the mornings typically sells out by lunchtime, whereas the .22 WMR sticks around for a few days.

        So I naturally like guns where I can still get ammo for them, it’s just this thing like some people’s personal preference for accurate rifles, night sights you can actually see in the dark, and so on.

        There’s also this personal thing where .22 LR looks a bit too much like the stuff that you feed to Hilti nail guns, and perhaps I’ve grown to want something a bit bigger than a literal tack driver. 🙂

        .17 HMR looks interesting from two perspectives: I can get crates of ammo for it because nearly nobody shoots the stuff, and I’ve seen a video where someone’s punching little holes through 3A vests with it.

        So perhaps there will also be a Savage A17 in my future …

      2. SFC Ton Post author

        I’m sure they can penetrate soft amour/ pistol cailber protection .

        That’s a matter of speed and the. Most rifles move fast enough and .17 hmr is a pretty fast round.

        My question would be how far out and plates. All my rigs inculde plates.

      3. Sumo

        I don’t doubt that the round could penetrate soft armour, I just still have an interest in the gear etc used by folks in my former profession. Also, I occasionally get folks asking for my opinion on such things. It’s becoming less common, but it happens.

  6. Sumo

    I’m curious as to what The Ton thinks about RMRs, micro red dots, or whatever the fuck they’re called. Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of chatter about the popularity of these devices and wondering if they’re useful or just tacticool.

    The ones I’ve bothered to give a glance at cost more than what I paid for my pistols, so my inner Scot is not liking the idea.

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    1. SFC Ton Post author

      The 3 pistols I count on the most have crimson traces on them and when I squeeze the grip the laser lights up

      Which has one key disadvantage but I’m not trying to ambush anyone either

      My eyes ain’t what they use to, especially in low light levels and I want to hedge my bets

      Do I think you’re fucked without them? Nope

      And yeah optics are expensive. I have 4k worth of glass on my custom built 6k rifle and up to or exceeding the cost of the firearm isn’t out of the question

      https://www.crimsontrace.com/products/manufacturer/universal-fit-products?mode=list

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